2011-02-25 08:37 pm (UTC)
Here, have some incest lords in your face!
TL;DR. Actually, FOS;DB (full of shit, didn't bother)
OMG UR RANT SUCKS!!!!!! im glad I like Eliwood now cause back then I used to be like you and if I still was I'd change my mind. THE LORDS ARE ALL AWESOME AND YOU CAN STFU, ASSFACE!!!!
As usual, your childish complaints don't deserve to be taken seriously.
OH U ALWAYS SAY THAT GET SOME NEW MATERIAL LOL
Wow. XD Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Or did someone piss in your cornflakes?
Oh, how clever. An icon featuring the idiot lords and two cliches?
...this essay offends me to the very core of my soul.
These protagonists are brave and incredible characters, to deny their virtues and highlight their shortcomings is a disservice not only to them, but to the game's creators as well.
And the way you perceive their romantic relationships is like a slap to the face! Eliwood loves Ninian with all his heart, the fact that he could continue fighting even after her death, and her subsequent ressurection is a testament to the power of true love.
Your assessment of EphraimxTana couldn't be more wrong, either. Ephraim is shy about admitting his love for her, and while Tana can't help but feel hurt and heartbroken by this, deep down she understands. There seems to be a trend among fans lately, citing Ephraim as this deeply troubled person, and it makes me quite angry. Ephraim is a brave soul with a good, loving heart.
Marth is not cold towards Sheeda. Their love is the precursor for EphraimxTana, a brave lord who's shy about confessing his feelings, and the gentle girl who will stand by his side nonetheless.
The same case can be made for RoyxLilina, though on a lesser scale. Roy, despite being shy, is the perfect knight in shining armor for Lilina after tragedy shatters her world, it's made perfectly clear in chapter 8 and chapter 8 Gaiden.
Hector does care about Florina, and it's not as if he makes her cry on purpose! She's a shy flower of a girl, and Hector is a strong man who can nurture her inner strength.
Eirika clinging to Seth is not a crime. She, too, is a delicate flower of a girl and Seth is her protector. It's only natural that she would go to him for comfort, and he would worry about her well-being instead of harping on her mistakes.
And how dare you say such terrible things about Lyndis! She's a beautifully fleshed-out character, and she was clearly created to be the mother of Rath's child from Fuuin no Tsurugi.
In conclusion, your essay is offensive trash and you had no right to post it here.
...you're missing the point. This is an essay critiquing the characters themselves, not their love relationships. But of course, everything is about True Love to you, isn't it?
Um, Essie? There's more to these characters than True Love. :P
You fucking bitch. While you're right about the male lords being pathetic pussies, you have no right to insult Lyn and Eirika! Okay, so Eirika's a little too girly and whiny, but she can pack a hell of a punch with her rapier and that makes her a strong womyn in my book. And Lyn makes everyone her bitch, no questions asked.
As usual, ape-woman, your reasoning is flawed and you give all feminists a bad reputation.
ur rite about eliwood and hector and marth and ike roy and celice and ephraim sucking cause they're all fags. BUT LYN AND EIRIKA AND MICAIAH ARE HOTTIES AND U SUCK FOR NOT LIKING THEM!!!!
Typical fanboy response, defending the girls simply because they have hot racks.
they also have better stats than teh stupid male lords and are cooler and sexier
*here, have a helping of unbridled RAEG from Lyssie*
WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU, YOU STUCK UP SNOTTY CHARACTER-BASHING BITCH?! Are you seriously telling me you spent all that time looking for "evidence" to your claim that the lords are bad people?! No, don't try to pass it off as "just your opinion", I know you and you wrote this in order to try to force people's eyes open to YOUR views! There's so much wrong with this post that I don't even know where to begin!
Eliwood, who has the nerve to weep openly over the death of his "one true love" Ninian when Nergal is standing in plain sight and could choose to attack them any moment. That entire scene highlights just how stupid Eliwood really is, come to think of it; Nergal pretty much tells him "Ninian is a dragon and you've just killed her" but Eliwood still has the cheek to stammer what are you saying?! at him!
Ever hear of a little thing called disbelief? Or denial? Nergal just dropped a HUGE FUCKING BOMB on Eliwood, what did you expect?! "Oh, gee, my girlfriend was a dragon and I just killed her! Aint that a kick in the teeth!"
Second, Nils forgave Eliwood because he realized it wasn't his fault. Nergal drove Ninian to revert to her true form. Nergal sent her towards the cave just as Eliwood was coming out with the Durandal. Nergal essentially planned for Ninian's death when he realized she wouldn't open the gate for him. Eliwood was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And last but not least, "I've no love for war" when it's obvious he's going to have to participate in one at any time? Give me a break.
Ooh, how dare he hate the thought of a war that could drag on forever and make a huge mess of things. How dare he be concerned for the innocents getting caught up in it!
Eirika, who turns pale and nearly collapses in a faint in Seth's arms over having to kill a few measly bandits. And do not get me started on what an idiot she was in chapter 18, happily handing Renais's stone to the enemy! Orson had it right when he said "if Eirika had been alone, he might have succeeded in decieving her", the girl is too naive to tell butter from margarine, let alone hold a position of power! Thanks to her, the world could have been destroyed had it not been for Rausten's stone! Shame to her!
Oh look, it's the same rehashed crap I see all the time from Eirka-bashers on the forums!
And speaking of chapter 18, it enrages me to see everyone coddling the little brat. Here we have a girl who just made a potentially fatal mistake, and all anyone can say is poor Princess Eirika, are you okay, you should rest, go ahead and cry, baby. Why does nobody call her out?! She doesn't need to be coddled, she needs to be slapped!
That's right, how dare Eirika's loved ones be worried about her after she was just put through the wringer! What she needs right now is a good bitchslapping! Except that would just drive her deeper into despair and make things worse.
And blaming the girl for one unfortunate mistake she made and never letting her live it down, that's not sickeningly reminiscent of the Orihime-bashing that cropped up after the Lust Arc!
Marth in the original Monshou no Nazo is impossibly sheltered for a supposed "hero". Jeigan and the others practically have to force-feed him information, and thanks to his gullibility he fell for an obvious trap that resulted in his kingdom being taken over. Shame on you, Marth! And to top it off his stats are absolutely pathetic and so is his pantsless battle sprite. I'm no fan of Lang, but I do applaud him for showing up Marth to be the gullible twit he is in chapter 6. And don't go trying to claim "oh but it was an early game so the storytelling had yet to evolve!" either. It's completely Marth's fault for being such a worthless pansy. People claim the OAV "butchered" Marth by making him a weak little wimp, but I applaud them for telling it like it is.
First of all, the Monshou OAVs are crap and you're an idiot for defending them. Because they're practically character-bashing in animated form, THEY'RE the reason Sheeda is hated and bashed as a shrew.
Second...okay, Marth could've been handled a little better in book 2 of the original Monshou. It WAS the fault of the writers, FE's storytelling HADN'T evolved yet, and the game needed some way to get the exposition out there. But Marth himself is still a good guy, and he's not going to stay naive forever.
Third, Lang is an asshole and you're a creep for praising anything he does.
And of course, Celice. The wimpy and sheltered child who manages to save the world "because destiny says so". I admire Levin for being the only one with the guts to give him a smackdown for being such a hopelessly naive bleeding heart. What if Altenna had intended to fight? Would he simply drop his sword and stand there waiting to die at the end of the Gae Bolg? What an idiot. This is the man who's going to rule all of Grandbell, the one everyone has put their trust in to save the world from ruin? I think they'd be better off submitting to the Dark Lord! I know I'd sooner be slain by Yurius than live in a world ruled by Celice!
So just because he's not a carbon copy of his father in terms of personality and is a little on the naive side, he's worthless? No, just no. As for his conflict with Levin...the only problem is that the script didn't let him explain his reasons. Celice somehow knew Altenna didn't want to fight, or at least had the suspicion that she didn't. "What if she doesn't want to fight?" is probably what he really meant to say.
And that last part...wow, you have PROBLEMS. You ARE aware that this is a fictional world, right? Did someone put a gun to your head and demand you imagine yourself into Jugdral?
How anyone can think this brute is a good romantic partner for poor Florina is beyond me, don't any of these gibbering Hector/Florina fangirls even read their dialogue?! He makes her cry more times than one can count, and she's absolutely terrified of him!
Wow, way to miss the entire point of Hector/Florina! She's the one that gets the ball rolling, remember? She chooses to overcome her shyness so she can get up the nerve to thank him for saving her in Laus. So what if she cries? And Hector causes it now and then? You make it sound like an abusive relationship, which it isn't. It's not all sunshine and roses, but it's not as horrible as you paint it.
As for Hector's personality...okay, you bash Eliwood for being too nice, but then you bash Hector for not being nice enough? Never mind, I should know better than to expect logic from you.
And it certainly doesn't help that power-whoring fanboys rave about him as if he were the second coming. Memo to fanboys: Hector is not your God of Manliness, he's not even that good of a unit! If he were, he'd at least be able to hit something now and then! Stop crowing over him and holding him up as the ultimate Fire Emblem character, your favorite character is bad and you should feel bad!
I hate obnoxious Hector fanboys as much as the next person, but this is just out of line. Bullying people for liking characters is bad and you should feel bad.
re Ephraim: Way to ignore his character development, jackass. He feels BAD for being obsessed with fighting and not being at his father's side, but even FADO HIMSELF didn't hold a grudge. He understood his son and was worried for his safety more than anything.
I don't ship Ephraim/Tana either, but calling fans "idiots" because they do is just plain obnoxious.
Ike is a sellsword. The game tries to make him seem like a nice guy, but he isn't fooling anyone. He's a mercenary, therefore money is his main motivator. He's cold towards so many girls who have feelings for him, snaps at Sanaki, and at the end of Radiant Dawn he abandons his friends and family to "travel the world" and never return. And the fangirls who squee over him and Soren together are brain-dead twits who watch way too much unrealistic yaoi anime.
*facepalm* Mercenary =/= sellsword. Ike IS a nice guy, just because he's not romantically inclined doesn't make him a cold jackass. And he had a reason for losing his temper with Sanaki that time, which you'd remember if you paid attention to the dialogue.
And your assessment of new!Marth is just as idiotic as your assessment of old!Marth. Again, your lack of logic astounds me. You bash FE3 Marth for being naive, and then you bash FE11 Marth for being more pragmatic and realistic.
Lyn is awesome, Roy is awesome, and the Rekka Lords aren't idiots. End of story.
And then we come to the worst possible lord in Fire Emblem history:
The girl is a blatant Mary Sue; no arguments, it's simply the truth.
First of all, the Mary Sue label needs to die in a fucking fire already. Stop using it to bash characters you don't like, fanbrats.
Second of all, YOUR OPINION IS NOT THE TRUTH.
Third, [insert more tl;dr of Micaiah defense here].
And your reason for liking Sigurd is petty, by the way.
In conclusion, you're an ass, your essay is crap and you should STFU.
My, my, three whole comments of frothing character worship? Why, this is even more pathetic then that massive Miaka defense essay you posted to the Fushigi Yuugi forums three months ago. I'd suggest stepping back from the computer and going for a walk, this magnitude of rage can't be healthy for you.
...you write a massive essay on why fictional characters make you angry for existing, and you have the cheek to call me out for telling you why your arguments are crap? Maybe you should go for a walk, Cassie. Far away from the Fire Emblem fandom.
...you're not going to intimidate me. I know that's why you wrote this essay, to try to intimidate people into agreeing with you.
Your assessment of the Eliwood/Ninian tragedy makes me sick, though. How could you take one of the most heartbreaking moments in the game and twist it around to make Eliwood the villain...?!
Now now, whatever would give you such an idea, Molly? I think you're just too sensitive to be a part of this fandom, if you're so easily intimidated by other people's opinions.
And of course Eliwood was the villain. He killed her, and Eliwood/Ninian shippers seem all too happy to gloss over this vital fact.
Did the Fire Emblem lords kick you and steal your money or something? Because wow, this much frothing hatred for characters can't be healthy.
Why is it such a crime for me to hate these characters with a passion? Why is it that every time someone expresses any feeling for a character other than squeeing adoration they're automatically a "hater"?
...well, at least you're not disguising this as an essay on why true fans need to accept characters' flaws. Though that still doesn't make this any better.
*uses Roy/Lilina icon for spite*
Actually, that was part of the plan. So many people squeal over the lords as if they were the most amazing characters ever to exist in video games, they completely ignore any flaws or shortcomings the characters might have and it pisses me off. Part of being a true fan is learning to think critically about your favorite characters, or else you're nothing more than a squalling fanbrat.
And you're exactly like the Orihime bashers who disguise their bashing as "legit criticism".
...hmm. For once, I'm actually in complete agreement with something you've written. However, you did forget the most important part of why the Fire Emblem lords are horrible people: The way they persecute and mercilessly slaughter the clearly superior villains, naturally.
Actually, I find it unrealistic that such weak and foolish characters could stand even a hair of a chance against such strong and powerful antagonists. How is a child like Roy supposed to defeat a grown man who wields one of the strongest swords in all of history? The Black Fang should have made mincemeat out of Eliwood and his ragtag bunch of misfits, and don't get me started on how Nergal should not be so easy to defeat!
You seem to forget that the villains need to be stopped. I have no problem with Lilina, Oguma or other characters destroying the Big Bads.
Actually, I find it unrealistic that such weak and foolish characters could stand even a hair of a chance against such strong and powerful antagonists.
Hmm, I suppose you do have a point about that. But I've always chalked it up to the tired old Destined Heroes cliche. One thing I enjoyed about the fight against Gharnef in the Akaneia series is that you not only aren't required to use Marth to defeat him, but Marth can't even lay a finger on the sorcerer and instead must leave the task to one of the more likeable and competent mage characters.
* falls asleep in the middle of reading this shit, damn all nighter for that Economy test *
*dramatic gasp, eyes go all wobbly with anime tears*
Y-you monster!! How could you say such horrible nasty things about Eliwood and all the other hawt bishieboi lords?! You're right about Lyn and Eirika and Micaiah being stupid bitches, but you take back what you just said about the pretty boys or I'll get Gordy-chan to beat you up!
...and this is why I hesitate to call your sister the most pathetic, oversensitive person I've ever met in fandom. You always outshine her, no matter how much she screams and rants and raves.
Can't you respond with anything other than foolish macros for once?! I worked very hard on this!
Okay, so gathering from this essay...
You hate main characters with a passion? Wasn't that already established long ago? We're not getting new material, Cori.
What's next, you're gonna bash Professor Layton?
How many times have I told you never to call me by that name? *twitch*
...I don't know where to begin. (I know it seems like I'm kicking up settled dust here but oh well)
I see the points you're trying to make and I completely acknowledge and accept (most of) them. However I found a few things that don't sit right with me that haven't already been addressed properly.
"One time, he even missed a pathetic spear soldier with an 80% chance of hitting, and the soldier was able to land a hit with a 54% chance! Ugh!"
First of all we're talkin' character here, not stats. So bringing up Hector's skill growth and a more than common occurence of RNG screwage isn't helping your case in the least. And to further address Hector's problems, he, like a few of the main lords, does regret his actions. He says himself that he'd like to be with his brother to support him but if he was with his brother they'd know something was wrong.
And while I agree that some of the fans of FE are... less than desirable, claiming that others are all idiots for belonging to a particular fandom goes to far. I myself have preferred pairings but I don't take them as seriously as some people I know. I see them for what they are: a game mechanic that when done right can lead to alternate or canon endings, some being more favorable than others.
Simply put, I can see what you're getting at and agree with you on somethings *cough* Micaiah *cough* (Sorry I'm sick currently) but I find that if I don't agree with you on something it comes off as offensive and forceful. This may or may not have been your intention but it certainly earned a few... colorful responses. Namely the pathetic defense of some of the Lords provided by immature (or that's my impression at least) fans that upon reading your claim quickly typed of a very sorry comment feeling it would sway your opinion.
But alas, not all of us can agree on some things and I seem to have rambled on.
Edited at 2012-12-05 05:09 am (UTC)