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I know, I'm a lamb to the slaughter and I kinda like it this time. [Apr. 10th, 2011|05:20 pm]
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[oldschoolheart]
In the Fire Emblem common blog I and other people mantain, I was asked by the head poster and owner to review the Seisen mangas since he has his hands full with Hasha no Tsurugi already. He also asked me to gather some people's opinion on the three we have knowledge about: the ones by Nea Fuyuki, Natsu Fujimori, and Mitsuki Oosawa.

I have already typed my reviews of the Oosawa manga's first volume and the first episodes of the Fujimori manga, so! Your thoughts on the Seisen mangas, place them here. They'll all be submitted for that blog, so think before you type.

I know some of you won't. But we'll still have some laughs, I guess
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From: defendsthehated
2011-04-10 08:29 pm (UTC)
Oosawa: Well, I won't lie, the ships are a big factor for me. The fact that it has pretty much all of my favorites is a big plus, but no Alec/Sylvia makes me sad. :( I LOVE Diadora in this manga, though, she gets to be more active without sacrificing her ladylike traits.

Unfortunately, I HATE how Oosawa treats Eltosian's wife. A lot of people think Iria is a bitch, and she is, but what I hate is the reason she became one. I'd expect a professional not to resort to Die For Our Ship, kthx. (And I kind of liked Grahyne, so it's a double sting.)

So overall this is a good re-telling, but it could've done a lot better with some things. :/


Fujimori: This one makes me laugh my ass off, I love it. XD Oifaye is one of the fuuniest things ever, and I liked watching Edain smart off to Gandolf. Also it's made me ship Azel/Midayle a little.


Fuyuki: I've barely read any of this, but...eh. I'm not too crazy about it outside of Lester and Patty being cute. I do like the Leaf/Celice interaction, but jealous!Nanna gives me bad yaoi fanfic vibes.
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 08:46 pm (UTC)
I know, right? I admit I almost squealed like a little girl with all the Fin/Lachesis shiptease and hook-up, since it's my OTP in both Seisen and Thracia and their relationship was portrayed in a way eerily similar to my headcanon.

Yeah, can't say I'm happy about that either. My older brother used to complain endlessly about how Chuck Austen derailed Polaris in the X-Men comic to have Havoc hook up with his nurse, and now I udnerstand the way he feels. (And never EVER mention One More Day in front of him, either!) Iria wasn't AS bad as derailed!Lorna since at least she didn't try to directly kill Lachesis, but it could've been handled much better.

Fujimori... surprised me. I wasn't sure if she'd be able to portray the story believably, and yet she did.

Fuyuki. Just started on it... and well, we'll see. Where is Leen, to start? *shakes head*
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[User Picture]From: dramaislove
2011-04-10 08:33 pm (UTC)
I...have mixed feelings about Oosawa's manga. On one hand, it has the drama and angst and tragedy that I love so much about Seisen. It made me appreciate Alvis a lot more than I already did, and Midayle is given so much more depth.

But the shipping aspect makes me sad. :/ I know, that's stupid and shallow and I might as well be one of those obsessed fanbrats, but it's depressing when people go "oh, Levin/Fury is SO canon, Levin/Sylvia never had a chance".


I'm warming up to the Fujimori manga, but I still find all the humor a bit jarring. ^^; Still, it apparently has Holin/Ayra, which makes me happy.
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 08:51 pm (UTC)
Ah, yes. The Levin/Fury deal disappointed me a little, but I decided to be for once a good puppy and take the bone Oosawa threw at me with all the shiptease between him and Sylvia. Besides, it looks like since she didn't talk a lot to Alec, she may be paired up with Claud? That suits me fine, if it happens.

On the other hand, Alvis is awesome in Oosawa's manga and I still have my Fin/Lachesis, so I'm not complaining that much.

Looks like it! I missed Holyn and my Holyn/Ayra, but if they end up as THE couple in Fujimori's version I'll be really happy too.
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From: threesomesftw
2011-04-10 08:38 pm (UTC)
Fujimori. Is. LOVE. ♥ Someone who manages to turn a serious story into lighthearted fun and do it well has my utmost respect as an artist. I think Fujimori secretly OT3s Azel/Edain/Midayle, their interactions are awesome. XD I can't wait to see more of the scanslations, I hear it gets even better!

Oosawa...I'm not big on melodrama, I'll admit it. But at least it's fitting given the original story, and it's good for character development. And the artwork is some of the sexiest I've ever seen in any manga, UNF~

(I wish she hadn't ditched Holin and Beowulf, though! Two of my favorite threesomes Jossed! Oh, well, at least she did draw 'em in the Extras so we could see how they would look if she'd kept them in.)
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 09:00 pm (UTC)
I guess so! Like i said, I wasn't too keen on the "comical!Seisen" idea first, but she makes it actually work better than expected. My kudos to that, seriously.

Oosawa has more technical skill in regards to drawings and has really beautiful illustrations... but in regards to the story, it can either be wonderful or really bad. She re-created Alvis, Levin, Sylvia, Ayra and Diadora beautifully, made Edin/Jamuka and Ayra/Lex a little too sappy but fine... and then missed so badly with Eltoshan, Iria/Grahnye and Lachesis. She did redeem herself with Lache and Fin, but the treatment of the other Nodions still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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[User Picture]From: maincharassuck
2011-04-10 08:47 pm (UTC)
Oosawa's manga takes things more seriously, which pleases me. However, I am not a fan of the way she glorifies the incestual love between Eltosian and Lachesis, or her exclusion of Holin. I also don't think it was wise of Oosawa to pair Fury with Levin for the same reason I don't care for the pairing in-game: Fury would just be a replacement for Mahnya. Sylvia, on the other hand, is an unrelated and completely different person. I wish Oosawa had let her go with Levin instead.

I have no respect for the Fujimori version, however. The story of Seisen no Keifu is rife with political drama and tragedy, and to turn it into a laugh riot is simply unacceptable.
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 09:07 pm (UTC)
Well, it IS canon that Eltoshan and Lachesis are each other's more important persons regardless of what they think of Mrs. Elto, so keeping that was a given. She could have handled it better, definitely, but I'm not complaining that much since she did keep Eltoshan dead and she did end up with my favorite suitor for her. (Could have treated Mrs. Eltoshan better, though).

Levin/Fury is hardly surprising since it IS the most canon-favored pairing if we consider Thracia 776, though I see why it could be objected. The insight she gives on Mahnya is good, though, and she did give Levin/Sylvia a nice shiptease dose...

Is Fujimori's version so bad for you? Really? I think she actually rose to a challenge and until now she's filling in some huge shoes, but I suppose your mileage and mine will definitely vary. *shrug*
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From: lolgaypuppies
2011-04-10 08:53 pm (UTC)
OMG FUJIMORI IS TEH FUNNIEST THING EVAR AND I LOVE IT! :DDDDD Especially teh awesome Edain/Midayle, THEY'RE CUTER THAN EVER IN THIS MANGA!! but on the other hand Oosawa makes Lex/Ayra canon. :D And Diadora gets to be awesome, too! (i dun like the Levin/Fury, though, it's too dramatic and I still think Fury goes with Noish and Levin should be with Tiltyu.)

I dunno about Fuyuki, it looks kinda cute but WHERE IS LEEN?! D: AND WHY IS ALESS WITH YURIA?!?!?!!? leaf/celice is funny, though. XD
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 09:11 pm (UTC)
Ah, I thought you'd say that! I like Edin/Midayle a lot too. Easy to get, sticks to canon well, and at least in my case Lester is always a really good character if Midayle's his disappeared dad.

(You ship Levin/Tiltyu too? Guess we're two among hordes of Levin/Sylvia and Levin/Fury fans, huh.)

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[User Picture]From: hottchix4eva
2011-04-10 08:58 pm (UTC)
teh Oosawa manga has sexy arts and hot naked chicks but too much het *barfs* WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SOME HAWT LESYAY?!?!!?! at least Fujimori is funnier and doesn't have all that stupid melodrama

fuyuki sux cause there's too much faggy hoyay with leaf/celice as if they didn't suck bad enough already!!!
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 09:13 pm (UTC)
... So predictable. Thank you, I guess?

Please go clean up if you really DID vomit, rod. That was gross.
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[User Picture]From: mayxdecemberotp
2011-04-10 09:02 pm (UTC)
Oosawa has some of the best character development, and I like that it takes a bit of a different direction with some things. Also, I hear Bridget has ship tease with Midayle AND Deu, so Molly and I can at least have both our Bridget ships to squee over. And the Levin/Mahnya makes me so happy, she's my favorite of Levin's girls even if she can't be paired with him in-game and, um, well...you know. :/

Fujimori makes me laugh, I like to read it after playing chapter 5. Helps take off some of the sting.

Fuyuki...I've only read a little of it, and I don't like that Leen isn't in there. Aless/Yuria just feels wrong to me.
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 09:18 pm (UTC)
I remember that... and yes, she does. So it'll either be Bridget/Midayle or Bridget/Deu for her, considering how things are going in the story. Guess we'll know sooner or later. (I tend to go for Bridget/Jamuka more, but he's with Edin already. Oh well, a Midayle is fine too.)

Ah, yes. Only read one chapter of Fuyuki's manga, but I have heard what goes on with it. Aless/Yuria... just *where* did that come from? Still waiting for an answer.
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[User Picture]From: icegoddessqueen
2011-04-10 09:25 pm (UTC)
I began to read Oosawa's manga after seeing the beautiful artwork and hearing that it added much more development and drama to the original story of Seisen no Keifu.

I loved it at first. The story was handled beautifully, the artistic renditions of the characters were perfect, and I adored the love at first sight and romantic interactions between Jamuka and Edain, so much that I nearly changed my preferred Edain ship.

But sadly, my enchantment slowly wore off. First of all, she had the gall to remove Holin and Beowulf! Two of my most cherished couples, completely negated! Not only that, but the incest between Lachesis and Eltosian was made canon! How disgusting! *shudders* And then, the pre-marital sex between her and Finn-! (And speaking of premarital sex, someone on the forums insists that Edain and Jamuka had it as well. *offended gasp* Edain would never do something so brazen! How dare you insist otherwise, Oosawa!)

So ultimately, this manga was a complete disappointment. Such beautiful artwork and storytelling potential, wasted on debauchery!


As for the other two: I can't stand Fuyuki's portrayal of homoeroticism between Celice and Leaf, and her removal of Lynn to make way for her "crack pairing" of Aless and Yuria. Fujimori's comedic handling of the story is completely inappropriate, but I do have a grudging respect for her for remembering that Holin exists and pairing him with Ayra.
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 09:34 pm (UTC)
... Oh, boy. My fellow editors will LAUGH until they pass out with this one.

Esmeralda, sweetheart, don't you think you're taking this too seriously? The whole Jugdral universe won't end up as Sodom just because of the... "debauchery" you judge so hard. So what if Edin and Jamuka MAY have had unmarried sex, considering they DID get married anyway and had their children? And I'm just as unhappy withy Holyn disappearing though I can't say I complain about Beowulf, but in the end I'm not gonna cry myself to sleep either.

I think you're overdoing it, really. And I believed that all the replies to your really stupid and badly-done Seisen meta in our forums would make it clear!

... Don't say I didn't warn you when the editors take your comment and MST it to Hell and back. They're not half as restrained as I am.
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[User Picture]From: icegoddessqueen
2011-04-10 10:15 pm (UTC)
But it's just not something a character like Edain would do! And how can Oosawa blatantly ignore the man who's loved and wanted to protect Ayra since they were children?!

I am not overdoing it! I'm simply voicing my opinion, and those replies to my posts were very rude!
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From: fluffisawesome
2011-04-10 09:28 pm (UTC)
I like all three for various reasons...I'm not crazy about some of Oosawa's choices, but I do like the artwork and development of certain characters. Leaf and Celice are pretty cute in Fuyuki's version, too. (I hear she drew Corple and Leen even if they weren't added to the manga...maybe if she ever continues they'll show up later on?)

But my favorite is Fujimori because I like the comic twist and the adorable Edain/Midayle moments.
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 09:36 pm (UTC)
Ah, such a cute Corple icon! And yes, I agree with the main points. Each one has it strong and weak points, so I suppose discarding them fully just won't work. I wish the Fuyuki manga was easier to get, though.
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[User Picture]From: teh_joker
2011-04-10 09:29 pm (UTC)
I hate the Oosawa manga!! It looked like there was gonna be lots of beautiful yaoi between Lex and Azel, and Sigurd and Cuan, but then they stopped it and paid too much attention to the stupid het pairings, YUCK!

Fujimori wasn't much better, but I think Azel/Midayle was supposed to be canon, yay!! ^_^ Too bad that bitch Edin had to get in the way! Same with Fuyuki's manga, Leaf and Celice were sooooooo cute together but Leaf had to end up with that bitch Nanna! *kills her*
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 09:39 pm (UTC)
AHAHAHAHA. Oh god. I'm already laughing. Er, where were we?

... Er, Patrick, what did you expect? Even when at their most different, in the end the three authorsd didn't deviate THAT much from the main story and the pairing possibilities. I don't mind Lex/Azel, but it's not like I expected them to be oh-so-canon and all!

Whining won't get you anywhere, and neither will the bashing of Edin or Nanna. And you can't kill them, they're just ink.

This is gonna be good. Oh, yes.
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[User Picture]From: queenofthedusk
2011-04-10 10:36 pm (UTC)
::emerges from the shadows::

I ended up enjoying Oosawa's manga more than I thought I would. Not only did it portray Alvis beautifully, but it magnified the suffering those pathetic heroes went through. For this reason I even enjoyed the second generation!

I absolutely refuse to touch Fujimori's version, however.
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[User Picture]From: oldschoolheart
2011-04-10 10:55 pm (UTC)
* grabs a flashlight just in case, so there *

Did you really go there, Kristan? Oh yeah, should've thought of it. Alvis is one great villain and I like how he was given more depth, but the rest of your screed is... special. Huh.

Fair. It will at least save me from seeing you bash it all over. But we would've laughed anyway.
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[User Picture]From: princessawesome
2011-04-10 11:21 pm (UTC)
Oosawa's manga is a fucking festering pile of melodramatic shit. Oh, sure, Diadora gets to be involved in the action, but she's still whiny and sappy over Sigurd. Ayra goes from a kickass swordfighter to weepy and emotional over LEX, who should just die in a fire as it is. And Bridget, the most badass action girl in any Fire Emblem game, reduced to a fucking damsel in distress during her arc?! I fucking hate it, Oosawa is an antifeminist bitch.

As for the Fujimori manga, it's stupid but at least the girls get to be more badass, like they should be. Even Adean is cool in this manga when she smacks Gandolf!
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From: (Anonymous)
2011-04-10 11:33 pm (UTC)
Ummm...I haven't gotten a chance to read them all yet except a few chapters. But they all look kinda promising~! I love the slashy subtext to pieces, but I don't have a problem with the het. And...I'm looking forward to the EltoLache goodness, even if Oosawa handles it badly. Can't help it, I've got a weakness for fictional incest!

...oh~! I'm James, Lyssie and Pat's cousin, by the way. Sorry to show up out of nowhere but I wanted in on the discussion! :D

-James
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