You know, it's funny you mention that they're fictional characters, because the way you hate those characters who are fictional seems a little... I dunno, obsessive? Hating characters because of their fans? Hating a main character *coughAshcough* without recognizing his flaws? Seriously? What's next, you're going to bash Professor Layton?
*rolls eyes* And as usual, the so-called Sanity Brigade shows up to accuse me of hypocrisy. I reserve the right to hate characters because of their fans, and Ash's flaws are the exact reason I hate him. It's canaon that refuses to recognize his flaws, not me.
If I play the games and end up disliking him, I'll certainly voice that opinion.
Huh, the "Sanity Brigade"? Sorry, hun, but it sounds like you're way over in your head if you start thinking things like that. There's no such thing as that.
And by fans, do you mean regular fans, or fantwits? There ARE people who likes Hector for different reasons than the fantwits. I like Hector in FE6, so when I got to play him in FE7, I was pretty happy to see his characterization in that game. My love for him has nothing to do with stats.
...Canaon? What's that, and is it edible? And about Ash, this IS a Japanese kid's show. He is the main character of a KID'S SHOW. Really pathetic there, honey.
Yeah, good luck with that.
Well, you and many others certainly act like it, playing the Proper Fandom Opinions Police anytime someone dares to think differently than you.
Well, good for you. But so many of his fans are fantwits, it's entirely their fault I can't stand him.
...that was a typo. Making fun of people for typos is immature and not the least bit amusing!
Actually, that sounds more like you. So someone doesn't like a character I like, for good reasons? I'm not going to go down their throat and tell them to love said character. That's not my thing.
And why are you listening to stats whores in the first place...?
Well, excuse me to try and lighten up the topic.
Oh, no, don't you dare turn this around to try to make me look like the bad guy, here!
I'm just pointing out the obvious, that's all.
In other words, Cori, you just decided you needed yet another excuse to bash characters and show off your double standards. What else is new?
Stop. Calling. Me. By. That. Wretched. Woman's. Name!
My thoughts on this, plain and simple.
In other words, you're too lazy to read my opinions and substitute macros for intelligent conversation. As usual.
Naw, I'm just savvy enough to know that it's useless to even try discussing things with you because you're just gonna try making me and others look like idiots. So there. :P
...hmph. Even more irritating than immature fanboys are ones who brag about how "savvy" they are!
Yep, I knew it. The second I started skimming this I knew somewhere you were gonna call me out. What else is new?
Sorry, Cori, but I will never stop defending characters I like from immature fans who bash them for stupid reasons. I don't care if it makes me stupid, immature and delusional. In fact, I'm going to go off on one of my trademark tangents right now just to piss you off!
1) Ash is too hot-blooded and impulsive to be a Purity Sue. Those fans were right, if he were so pure he could've ended the fighting with words alone, but since it didn't work, cue the heroic sacrifice. If he were really pure he wouldn't have needed magical tears to revive him because he wouldn't have gotten himself killed. As for the battle? God forbid a main character's talents are put on display! Ash is a good trainer, you just refuse to accept it because it means admitting you're wrong.
2) Hector is NOT a Jerk Stu! He's called out on his bad behavior several times in canon. And guess what, blaming the character for his rabid fanbase is stupid. I hate rabid stat whoring fanboys too, but it's not Hector's fault he attracts idiots like garbage attracts raccoons.
3) Oh noes, how dare Anne feel left out that she didn't get to spend quality time with her dad and brothers at a baseball game, or jealous that Alan got to drive the car and she didn't. And even if her comments in episode 12 were misguided, so were Tom's, but I don't see you bitching about HIM. Anne is not a bitch or a straw feminist just because she thinks women deserve rights and can be a little bratty sometimes. SHE'S A FUCKING TEENAGER. Oh, and was the jab at Suzie really necessary?
4) So you don't like silly comic relief guys? Fine. But your claims about Stanley being stupid and a liability and unworthy of being his father's son on the forums that day were out of line. There is no evidence in the series that anyone hates Stanley, especially Henry. I'm sorry, but he does care for his brother and I don't think he'd be very happy to know some stuck up fangirl was talking smack about Stanley. And by the way, he WAS pretty nasty in episode 10; Henry's my favorite of the Chan boys and even I wanted to smack him for that crack about "are you sure you're really part of this family?".
So there you have it. Character defenders may be "ridiculous", but no more ridiculous than your blatant hypocrisy. I find it hard to believe that you're older than me and you act like you're ten!
...hmph. You could at least have the decency to cry denial over my accusations like you usually do! You just can't handle other people having different opinions than you, so you get defensive and try to claim yours are the "right" ones".
I beg to differ. All I do is state my nice clear opinions, the other fans are the ones who dogpile me for daring to disagree with them.
No, you form a one-woman dogpile against anyone who dares to disagree with YOU. Case in point?
The Amazing Chan and the Chan Clan. Yes, even an obscure series such as this one has idiots in its very tiny fandom.
Not until you came along. That subforum was nice and chill and quiet, but when you joined you couldn't handle seeing people praise the characters you didn't like, so you started wank.
... Not even the papers I have to help grading now that I'm an assistant teacher are this level of TL;DR. Sorry, I'll pass this time.
What, no lecturing me on how "wrong" I am for hating characters because of their fans? You'd hardly be the first.
Hey, I have to work now. But you know, even if fans *are* obnoxious enough to make people hate their pet characters, taking it so seriously us just as silly.
It's not like the charas are hurting you in purpose, you know, and you should know it well.
But their stupidity and brattiness are a personal affront to me because I expect to be entertained and challenged by things, and for their creators to expect me to side with Ash, sympathize with Anne, find Stanley funny or Hector useful makes me feel like the character is being shoved down my throat.
I know, right? You'd think Stanley broke into her house one night disguised as the Wolfman and yelled "Wham bam, you're in a jam!" in her ear while she slept. XP
You're a fucking moron for dissing Anne Chan, one of the greatest feminist icons in all of animation! She had every right to stand up to her sexist father and leave her idiot brother in the lurch. Of course, the fact that you list that prick Alan as your favorite is no surprise, only antifeminist bitches would criticize Anne while praising him. Fucking bitch. Say what you will about those stupid male characters, but diss Anne and you deserve to fucking die.
Oh, I'm sorry, did I offend the ape-woman by daring to speak the truth about her precious Anne? You are one of the main reasons I despise the character, you know.
You're damn right you did, and by praising that useless girly sister of hers as well! And you are one of the reasons I fucking hate Alan!
Excuse me, but I am not the one who puts her favorite Chan on a pedestal in order to knock down another. Never in any of my praise of Alan have I used him to bash Stanley, the way you use your favoritism of Anne to bash Suzie.
Hmm, could've fooled me:
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Subject: Re: Ep 14 discussion: "The Greek Caper" Yesterday at 2:52 pm
Yeah, I always feel like Alan's genius is a little overlooked. I mean, the dude designed an entire transforming van on his own, give him some more credit! Or at least face time.
I couldn't agree more. Alan is one of the smartest, coolest animated characters ever to grace the small screen, but he's sadly brushed aside in favor of giving spotlight to characters who are already attention hogs such as his bratty sister and that buffoon Henry calls a sidekick. At least Flip is somewhat deserving of all his spotlight, even if I'm not sure he's the best guardian for three young children on potentially dangerous cases.
Well, Cori? Any half-assed defense of your hypocrisy now? *smirk*
...only immature drama-mongers dredge up old forum posts in order to make someone look bad. Thank you for proving my point.
2011-06-03 06:23 pm (UTC)
"Old"? I do see the word "yesterday".
~Anton-Klaus, Chastity's boyfriend.
Exactly, yesterday. Today is a brand new day and any posts I made the day before are ancient history.
2011-06-03 06:32 pm (UTC)
You may believe that, but does anyone else believe that? Nobody can change the next day, Cassie.
...well, she's still a drama-monger. She acts like those twerps on Fandom Wank who think quoting someone's comments will automatically make that person look bad and them look clever.
Who's trying to look clever? I'm just pointing out that you're a hypocrite.
Oh, you mean like you did in order to try to make that girl from the Avatar forums look stupid just because she's a Kataang shipper? Thank you for showing off more of your hypocrisy, you just keep making yourself look worse!
You're right about Anne being a stupid bitch, but you leave Satoshi-kun and Stanley-kun and Hector alone!! *stomps foot*
...Stanley-kun?! *twitch* You did NOT just drag the Chan Clan into your weeaboo fantasies! Out, out! *swats Pat away*
As usual, you miss the point entirely. I am an equal opportunity character critic, my dislike of these characters has nothing to do with their gender.
2011-06-03 09:31 pm (UTC)
...wow. You're kind of a meanie, did anyone ever tell you that? It's not the characters' faults their fans are so silly now and then. *shakes head* I don't like Zhao, but that's because he's a dickweed and has nothing to do with people liking him!
You're way too hard on Ash and Annie, especially...yeah, Annie's a little brat sometimes, but her brothers kinda provoke her. And Ash is a good kid! Sure, he does stupid things sometimes but that's why his good friends are there to guide him.
I won't argue that Tom and Alan have a tendency to bait their sister, but she chooses, she makes the choice, to take the bait. If she had shown some restraint and maturity and risen above it, I might have some respect for her.
I cannot imagine anything that would redeem Ash, however. He started off as an idiot and now he's become an inconsistent God Mode Stu. The animators purposely flip-flop between him being an incompetent fool and a cheating God Moder, and expect us to like him all the while.
...I don't like Hector's rabid fans either and he's far from my favorite character, but he's not as stupid and obnoxious as you claim he is! If he were such a bad guy he wouldn't have bothered to help Eliwood in the first place!
He only went to help Eliwood because he wanted an excuse to disobey his brother and bust some heads.
...did you just call me a name smush? *looks at Lexi as if she was the biggest brain-dead idiot on the planet*
I found it appropriate, considering you're just as stupid as Cori. ♥
When I look at you this way, you're supposed to cower in shame! What's wrong with you?!
You're just not intimidating, Corissie. Sorry.
The Amazing Chan and the Chan Clan. Yes, even an obscure series such as this one has idiots in its very tiny fandom.
Yeah, just one. You.